ISSUES

Issue 1: Michael Sullivan, elder, never settled in Saratoga Springs.  According to John Conway's family oral history, Michael and Julia returned to Ireland, specifically to Kenmare from where he was originally.  Michael Emmett Sullivan settled in Saratoga Springs; note Census 1855 which lists him living  sister Margaret Sullivan Moran, age 18 yrs.  Issue: in 1855 he would have been 13 yrs.  There is confusion in the 1855 and 1860 Saratoga Springs census in other instances.  The 1860 census has him working in Greenfield.

  • Where did Michael and Julia live in NYC?
  • When did Michael and Julia return to Ireland?
  • Where in Ireland did they return?
  • If they returned they must have done so by 1855 when Michael Emmett, their youngest, went to live with his sister in Saratoga Springs.  Can we find a death record for Michael or Julia in the Irish archives after 1855?  Can we find Griffiths Valuation records for Michael?

Issue 2: Florence Sullivan's death certificate (confirmed) lists his mother as Anna James.  This helps make sense of Julia O'Connell being only 28 years of age when arriving in the U.S. in 1848.  It appears that Michael, the elders, first wife Anna James died and he remarried to Julia O'Connell.  There is a marriage of a Michael Sullivan to Julia O'Connell in Feb 19, 1841 in GlenFleske, County Kerry.  Glenfleske is near Killarney a short distance from Kenmare.  If Michael Sullivan was on the Landsdown Estate this would make sense because permission was required to marry on the estate.

  • Was Michael Sullivan, the elder, married twice?
  • Was Anna James his first wife?
  • Was Julia O'Connell his second wife?
  • Was the marriage performed in GlenFleske?

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  • Need to check the death certificate for Johanna Sullivan Harrington (eldest child) at St. Peters, Saratoga Springs for her mother.
  • Michael Sullivan and Julia Connell are listed on Mary Sullivan Sweeney's death certificate:

  • Bob found LDS documentation for Michael Sullivan and Julia Connell which states that Julia was 28 yrs when Michael was 48.

I found passenger ship records that list a Michael Sullivan, age 48 yrs, and Julia Connell, age 28 yrs, arriving on the Fidelia in 1848.  These dates match.  The controversy is that if Julia is 28 yrs in 1848 then she would have been born in 1820.  The same year as Johanna her daughter which would not be possible.

I did find a death certificate for Florence Sullivan in Saratoga Springs which states he died Dec 1, 1882.  This death certificate states his mother is Anna James, his is a cartman, spent 30 years in U.S. (consistent with arriving here in 1851).  The issue is whether this is indeed the same Florence as our family member.  This could explain Julia being born in 1820 and that Johanna's mother was Anna James.

My great grandfather Florence had a probate record in Saratoga Springs listing Nov 28, 1883.   The issue is that the actual date is 1 year later than the death certificate above.

Questions:

  • Do I have the correct death certificate?
  • Is Julia Connell born 1820 our relative?  Not confirmed, but very likely.

    Could this be the marriage certificate for Michael and Julia?

  • Confirmed I have the correct death certificate for  Florence Sullivan.  The Saratoga Springs directory of 1883-1884 states that he died Dec 1, 1882 as in the record below.   Anna James was Florence's mother.  Mary Sweeney's mother was Julia Connell.